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of truth, if I have the right Barrett in my mind. Whitehurst is at all Events. This story was told to me in 1867.
W. H. H
I recorded these facts the hour they were told me and put them in a little book which I loaned to Lamon. This is my recollection / H
LC: HW3771
620. Norman B. Judd (WHH interview)
Octr 2d '90
I wish to relate to you an important fact. Soon after the assassination of Mr. Lincoln I interviewed Mr Judd, two or three times, in relation to his knowledge of Lincoln generally and particularly about what L said in reference to the ques‚tions he intended to ask Douglas at Freeport. Turn to our life of L. 410. Douglas put 7 questions to L. at Ottowa. Lincoln went to Chicago and had a meeting of his friends and told them that he intended to put 4 questions to Douglas at Free‚port and among those questions was the 2d one which was substantially this ¿Can a territory exclude slavery from its limits while in a territorial condition or stateî. At the meeting of Lincoln's friends at Dixon or Chicago were Peck Ü Judd Ü Ray Et al.1 All of them, after Lincoln had read the 4 questions to be put to Douglas at Freeport, objected to them and said in substance that Douglas would not posi‚tively answer the question directly and that if he did it would be in the af‚rmative and that would Elect him to the Senate again. ¿It is none of your business Mr Lincoln particularly to put the question because you are the Candidate for the U.S. Senate and that is your particular businessî said Lincoln's friends. Lincoln replied ¿Douglas will answer the question as soon as asked & if he does not I will push him to the wall at every joint debate or wherever I shall speak other wise than in joint debate; and the sooner Douglas answers the better for him. The people de‚mand a direct answerî. ¿Douglas will answer in some glittering generalities and Evade the questionî said Peck Ü Ray Et al. ¿Yes, he will answer directlyî said Lin‚coln; and to which Lincoln's friends said, ¿To put the question is none of your business Mr. Lincoln and to which Mr Lincoln said Ü ¿Yes it is my business, and if Douglas answers the question, which he will, Either way he is a dead cock in the pit.î Mr. Lincoln here went into a kind of argument to Convince his friends that he was right and conluded by saying Ü ¿I am after larger game. The battle of 1860 is worth a hundred of this Üî . . . Lincoln evidently wanted to kill Douglas politically and did it effectively. I say that Judd told me what Lincoln said in the meeting of friends at Dixon or Chicago, I think Chicago, though White says that
1. Ebenezer Peck, a Chicago lawyer and politician; Charles H. Ray, editor-in-chief of the Republican newspaper, the Chicago Press and Tribune.
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